Found under my door mat this morning was a hand out from the Friends of Joe Surace entitled "Let's Review the Record". In it is referenced several items related to the Fire Department that were noted by the state auditors in their Performance Audit five years ago.
Joe's friends referenced the audit's comments about over-staffing, over-compensation, deficits, lack of record keeping and lack of safety inspections on equipment while his opponent was the Fire Chief in charge of running the WFD.
The audit was requested by then Mayor Joe LaScola in May 2001. The village was $339,000 in the red at the end of April of that year. Consequently the State Auditor declared Wellsville to be in fiscal emergency and the audit began in February 2002. It's all there if you care to review it - all 172 pages of it. All you have to do is pull up the Ohio State Auditor's web site and search the State Performance Audit dated 8/22/02.
I read through it this morning and found their references to be where they said they were. It's not exciting reading but it's there if you are interested. I'll refrain from any other comments and as Joe's Friends said let "You Decide". ORL's Matt Stewart and commenters there and here are all over it already. Enough said...
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Dave Lloyd cant ignore this, Ole Nib is right, it is all there, just like the flier says. And there is more there that what they even put out. It is dry reading, but it is the truth. Something the Lloyd camp professes to love. No keeping records or doing inspections. Sloppy at best. Think how the village suffered in other areas while all the money went to his dept. What a great steward of the village money. It scares me to think he could be Mayor. Did he really think this wouldnt come out. I guess they underestimated the Mayor. Also, I liked his response on the Eddie Wilson affair. I know it wont be enough for the Lloyd people, but then, they have other worries now.
I am sure that the former councilmen and Joe Lascola will be glad to step up and take all the blame for Dave as Matt suggests. That is so lame. Isnt Matt the one who is constantly saying the Mayor never takes any blame for anything. I think Dave Lloyd blaming council is classic. I cant wait to hear their responses.
Re: Matt Stewart comment... "The deficits were entirely created by council's refusal to obey the law and appropriate the funds for the FD. That's precisely why the state put the village in fiscal emergency."
"Lloyd was the only person in village hall who knew that what they were doing was illegal, but they wouldn't listen to him. Dave and those people who were on council at the time can set this straight easily."
Ok Matt, we're still waiting....
Joe Lascola, where are you?
If you read the audit, which you probably wont, the defecits were created they way we say. I want to hear from council and Joe Lascola. I wonder if he wants to vote for Lloyd now. I just dont think the council and Lascola are gonna take the blame for Lloyd.
I don't understand......was Lloyd the mayor or the fire chief? I really don't see how one man can put a village into fiscal emergency. I mean isn't there checks and balances for the village government? Doesn't spending have to be approved? how can one man spend all the money and nobody stop him before he does it? I think it was a mix of everybody's actions and spending that lead the village into that crisis. you guys sure have given Dave Lloyd alot of power!
annonymous:
Why dont your read the audit. Then maybe you will understand what is going on. Then you wont have to keep asking questions that dont make sense. If you read the audit, it clearly shows what Dave's responsibilities were and what he did wrong. Then you can participate in the conversation.
Does Joe actually take a swing, or is it Joe's friends who do?
"Who exactly is running Surace's campaign? Do any of you have names?" M. Stewart
Matt seems very concerned that Surace supporters have user names. He does not voice the same concern with Lloyd supporters. I wonder why? Ok Matt, here is who is running the Surace campaign.
I.P. Freshwater
Tonto
Elizabeth Borden
Pinky Lee
The Banana Man
Itchy & Scratchy
OK lets say you have 150k budget to run your department. The level generates 100K, the other 50k has to from from the general fund. It's up to council to make the transfers. They did not have the money to do so, that caused the deficit. The one thing you need to remember the Police, Fire, Streets and Cemetery employees stayed employed, No lay offs. Also don't forget the Street Department had a deficit along with the Cemetery and few other line items. Not just Fire. So find something else to pick on. When it comes to government finance not many of you what your talking about. You just think you do.
Matt, have you figured out why you got the liason position?
Respectfully:
Ironically your comment was not very respectful and I don't see how my questions don't make any sense. In the first few lines I was using a little thing known as sarcasm. Of course I know he was not mayor and like many others I was simply questioning why we have council and an autoritative figure known as mayor if someone such as the fire chief, or police chief even, can irresponsibly spend ALL of the village's money without someone, and by someone I mean council or the mayor, stepping up and saying NO!!!! YOU CANNOT SPEND THE MONEY! Wait a minute, our council and mayor don't operate in that fashion do they? The mayor likes to spend TONS of money on stupid sh*t without getting it approved or taking bids!!!!!! And I thought that by posting a comment I was in fact in the conversation?!?!?!?
Wondering--
I go to port authority board meetings and tell the mayor if there is anything he needs to know. There's really nothing to figure out.
Regarding Wellsville's fiscal emergency--
I watched the entire process unfold. I read the auditor's report before most of you even knew it existed. I sat through every meeting of the financial planning commission. I had every aspect of the report explained to me by those sent by the state to help Wellsville through the fiscal crisis. I wrote hundreds of stories for The Review explaining the process to Wellsville residents. In short, I know exactly what happened prior to, during, and after the fiscal emergency.
To blame Dave Lloyd for the deficits is just baloney. Everyone who served on council at the time knows it isn't true. Mayor Joe LaScola knows it isn't true, and everyone who knows what the fiscal emergency was about knows it isn't true.
However, I know political propaganda when I see it. I know a diversionary tactic when I see it. Anything to keep the focus off Joe Surace. But let me give credit where it is due. I'll hand it to Surace's handlers for knowing how to use these tactics effectively. If the flyer sways uninformed people to vote for Joe Surace, then it will have been successful.
Dear Voter,
I would like to respond to and defend the misleading accusations made about me by the people claiming to represent Mayor Surace. I find it extremely disturbing that anyone would intentionally mislead the taxpayers of this Village. It was a dirty and dishonest tactic to gain votes and I for one am appalled at the levels in which they would sink in order to gain those votes.
At the beginning of each year, council would appropriate X-amount of dollars to the Fire Department based on what the anticipated revenue was at that time. From there, I would draw up a budget request and provide it to the Council Finance Committee, at which time they would go over it, fine tuning it to match the anticipated revenue. I operated within that budget at all times. When it was time for the money to be dispersed (approximately mid May, then again around late August and sometimes again in late November), I was told the money was not there. This promise of money (that I never received 100% of) would automatically put me working with a deficit. That deficit would then carry over to the next year. I never spent beyond what was appropriated the Fire Department and as mentioned, I stayed within my budget at all times.
Over appropriating anticipated revenue was an illegal practice and I made sure I let all involved know how I felt about it back when it was occurring. It should have been handled back then as it is being handled today.
Although the Mayor takes credit for it, what has actually kept us out of Fiscal Emergency is what is called the U.A.N. (Uniform Accounting Network). The U.A.N. keeps a checks and balance of spending in our Village. The only reason there has been no over-spending since emerging from Fiscal Emergency is because the U.A.N., along with the Fiscal Officer, will not permit it. Rules and regulations are finally in place and that is exactly what I fought for back when I was Fire Chief.
I would like to apologize for the unnecessary chain of events of the past week. Had others did their homework, they would have realized that their accusations were unsubstantiated half truths not worth repeating, ultimately saving you and I both wasted time and energy.
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to call me at 330-532-4581 or email me at davelloyd@lloydformayor.com.
Very respectfully yours,
David W. Lloyd
To Dave Lloyd,
Very professionally written. That answers many questions.
Thank you
Good job Dave, you show class. Something we need back at City Hall. Not only that, Your 100% right.
Dave - First I would like to thank you for your comments. I appreciate you taking your time & energy to give us a comment. However I beg to differ with you. I do not believe it is wasted time and energy under the circumstances. Your opponent's "friends" worded the hand out to their favor but from reading the audit none of it is untrue. My understanding the deficit part is fuzzy at best. If department heads did not get money to spend then how did they get a deficit? I'm not trying to be a smart ass. I'm just trying to get a more thorough understanding of how a budget is considered to be in the red when no monies were expended. Also, I can understand why your equipment can be outdated when there wasn't any money to upgrade to new stuff but why wasn't safety tests ever performed on the equipment you did have and no records kept? Wasn't this something your department could handle in-house at no extra cost to the village? I really would appreciate if you can find the time and energy to clear these points up for me.
I have to assume this performance audit was released in 2002 when it was completed. If there was such a problem with ONE department (fire dept) at that time, WHY didn't any of you "CONCERNED TAXPAYERS" ask your questions then?
Why are they suddenly being voiced now, when you think they can hurt Dave's candidacy?
If you were truly concerned citizens, each and every one of you would have been asking some VERY pointed questions of your current mayor in the last few years and should have asked your qusetions about this performance audit when it was pertinent: Five years ago, not now.
Mr. Lloyd,
Thank you for your response. It will be forwarded to the state auditors office for clarification.
If your in fiscal emergency and live so close to the fire station, why would you take a gas allowance?
If you're in fiscal emergency and live in town, why would you accept your own mayoral vehicle?
hey, good for the goose!
Good point, but might I add:
And still took a $50 per month gas allowance while fueling the mayoral car on the village's gas account at a local gas station. This happened at least a couple years before the auditors where performing this past audit. Go ahead AC and dispute that one!
How far does the mayor live from village hall?
You could almost throw a rock, or a stone.....lol
The thing to do is hand out perceptions and call it out of the goodness of your heart. When in fact Surace used campaign funds for the mailings, and run off inserts with the village letter head at quality printing.
That makes his prescription cards campaign material. Complaints will filed with proper authorities. The News Medea has been sitting on this most of all week. Why??????
He was handing out campaign material in churches. Wake up people!
The Prescription Savings Card. With his photo and the American flag, campaign material without disclosure for sure. Is their any kick back from the company??
It's funny that the Village has a Fire level on and the Mayor is attacking the Fire department. That's the kind of man he is. Hay firemen call your friends tell your family, this man doesnt want the fire department. Make sure you vote fire fighters.
Looks like Mcvay is having the same problems Dave Lloyd had. Council has to make the next move.
WELLSVILLE HAD A CASH FLOW PROBLEM. DAVE HAD A BALANCED BUDGET WITCH COUNCIL APPROVED. THEY DIDN'T HAVE CASH TO PUT IT. END OF STORY
NOT US CHIEF SAYS. AND IT WASN'T THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN WELLSVILLE. FIRE FIGHTERS SAVE LIVES VOTE FOR THE FIRE LEVEL AND RETIRED FIRE FIGHTER DAVE LlOYD. LEADERSHIP THAT IS NEEDED!!!!!
Well, I guess all you can do is attack the mayor because that is all you have left now, to pile it on and try to keep the focus off that state auditors report. Also, your stamp thing was pretty damn lame.
Ok, still waiting for Lascola and former council to set us straight and take the blame.
The village has a fire levy, do you think lloyd will bother to vote for it this time? I guess he will since it will benefit him to do so now. He never did one damn thing before he decided to run for mayor, NOTHING, not even council meetings. Can you imagine not voting for all those years and saying you were disillusioned. Sounds like a big baby to me. I'll go by the state auditors report, thank you.
Yaaaawwwwwnnnnnnn!!! Can't you people come up with anything better?
TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN DAVE!
You should worry more about the people who have not voted in a long time that are voting for Lloyd this time.Yes they are registered and ready to vote,since you brought that to every bodys attention that people who dont vote are, well you make that call.I cant wait for this explanation.
No has anything to say about Honest Abraham Lincoln Surace using campaign donations for his prescription card plan. That's OK? He said the cards had nothing to do with his campaign, Oct 4, 2007. (Source Morning journal)
Is that permitted??
During the last 3 years that Mr. Lloyd was fire chief, the tax payers of Wellsville paid him over $90,000 in salary to run the village deep in dept. If this is false information then please release your W2's to prove that it is not true.
TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN DAVE!
The information on W2 forms are not Public knowledge due to Social Security number on them. So who at City is discussing old W2 forms? Who at City Hall has access to SS numbers? If I was Dave I'd ask for an investigation. This could be another law suite in the makings. Maybe the Fiscal Officer should find out who's looking at old W2 forms in his office and leaking out personal information. Ask for an investigation Dave, and not from Part time- CSI- Detectives in Wellsville, but from real law enforcement. It an Issue for sure.
Did you people see the Shit in the Review? The lies. This man didn't know what Fiscal Emergency is. This man is a quack.
Got yer flyer, where are the W2's and explanation for each of the audit points that were made?
You are right, Joe Surace does not know what fiscal emergency is...but Dave Lloyd sure does.
I hope your partial truths of the audit doesn't hurt the fire levy that is up this time. Surace doesn't keep that fire department above water, your tax dollars and the volunteer fire department does. BTW, where was Surace when the volunteers had their open house trying to raise awareness for both levies? From 10 to 4, he couldn't make an appearance? Yeah, leadership at it's best. I'll take my chances with Lloyd.
Maybe Joe was at a church handing out prescription cards. We knew it was a political move. Does he think the people of wellsville does not know what he is trying to prove. You have the title right "Joe Takes A Swing" He should have taken the classier approach like Lloyd. Hay Joe "Come out Come out where ever you are and SPEAK Hay Noah
Hay tonto attack the Mayor? you have got to be kidding I think Lloyd has avoided attacking him. By the way the stamp thing is not as lame as you think it is anyone that knows anything about politics and financial reporting would be able to go to the election board and find out just what this stamp caper really is. Prescription cards from the goodness of his heart. The Tin Man Has No Heart. He has his own interest going on here. He will have to go buy a car if he loses and he will then have to learn the price of gas because my tax dollars will no longer be paying for him to travel back and forth to work. The Clock is Ticking your time is almost up the hour class is almost out of sand. tick tock tick tock
OK, lets call it quits and relax. Tuesday will tell the tail.
We all know that firefighters stick together.
Yes, you heap big sophisticated politician. "stamp Caper" so big, it remind Tonto of Watergate.
Tonto still waiting for Joe Lascola and council to take blame for auditor's report.
Surace should consider firing his campign manager. You don't win election by pissing people off. But seems that's what they do best. Surace should have stood up and defended his decisions. Instead he attacked a home town boy who fought fires. Then his consultant gave him more good advise. Attack the whole fire department. Smart move, let's piss more people off. Whoever is giving Joe Surace advise. Thank You, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
I always thought firefighters were very odd. I mean, with the bumper stickers, window lettering, and lights on private vehicles. t-shirts and jackets that they wear to draw attention to themselves. they feel the need to blow their own horn. to me, they seem like they really enjoy attention more than anything else. They do stick together and hang out with each other almost exclusively- I think they are like an odd fraternity.
surace's camp. manager is mr lombardozzi isn't that common knowledge?
Dollie, keep on calling people. You are helping your man lose.
re bubba
fireman do stick togather i know i was one at one time. it is a brotherhood with a lot of trust between them.
hey bubba sparx,how many firemen are getting investigated by the FBI?You talk about strange,dont you think its strange when grown men live together,like some of the P.D.I call that strange,some people call it gay.tossing salad, tossing salad,thats what they do best.must be practice for when the real s--t comes down.
Surace your actions have divided your safety forces apart. (not good even you do win) Good leaders bring people together. Your not a good Mayor. Voting for Lloyd.
(Me and my family was voting for surace until today) No way he get's our votes now.
The Police Department is costing you the election Surace. What the hell is a matter with you?
we all know the whiners on here. they're the ones that got busted by the cops. Holding a grudge huh little kids? you're the same little two-faced assholes that would expect the Chief to let you out of a ticket. "cmon dude, I know the Chief, give him a call for me." yeah right, give me a break.
Just like Surace to take credit for something he had nothing to do with. How is it that when the fire dept. had a deficit, it was the chief's fault, but when they are on the black it's thanks to Surace? Do you think the people actually buy that?
It's only the young punk Wellsville Cop's no one respects. You haven't earn none. 2 Murders, no one in jail. You screwed up two crime seines fact. It's you that can drink and drive and get away with it. It's the Council people who vote to hand you money that can drink and drive and get away with it. It's the drunks you know that can get away it. It matters who you are. So don't give your bull shit! The Wellsville PD will in fact cost Surace this election. It's most underhanded PD in the country. But remember my friends someone is taking a close look at you. Win or lose, you will go down! Hell even your top dog out at county said cops let drunk cops go. Don't they? So go put your fake badge on and keep pretending your a cop, and keep telling your self you good you are. But in the end we will have the last laugh.
I am a Vol. Fireman, and some of us have been watching this very closely. And we have waited, trying to sort out the facts regarding the operation of the Wellsville paid firemen and dept. The State Audit once and for all cleared our minds on what was going on. All of us volunteer our time and resources because we are a dedicated to the safety of Wellsville as a paid fireman and paid Fire Chief. We think we deserve answers from the former Fire Chief rather then just blaming former city councilmen and everyone else for the overspending. It appears Lloyd, according to the Audit was taking care of his buddies, the paid fireman and forgetting about those of us who volunteered for our Village. The State Audit states we needed updated equipment and we never got it. Tell us why. And where all the money went that was over spent. Answers Mr. Lloyd
you know this whole election amazes me,personal attacks,people and you know who you are vandalizing homes,properties and who else knows what else they have done they should all be very proud of themselves.NOT
not to mentioned the bitterness everyone is feeling not only have you divided the departments you have divided the town. life long friends now no longer talking to each other this campaign is ridiculous. everyone knows that this town has not looked so good and it is because of the current administration. the only change i can see is attitudes. I believe everyone should take a break, relax and calm down till tuesday get away from the computer and go enjoy life with your family
by the way, council has had the eddie wilson report since the other day according to the paper why haven't they leaked out the findings in it. is there something in it that JOHN Q public should know about hmmmmmmm Dave Lloyd should be responsible for when HE WAS CHIEF.AND I QUOTE FOR WHEN HE WAS CHIEF.
HEY ANONYMOUS GO GET A LIFE QUICKLY AND BY THE WAY NICE LANGUAGE i HOPE YOU DONT KISS YOUR KIDS WITH THAT DIRTY MOUTH
Huh. That's odd. I spoke with several vol. firemen yesterday and non of them feel anything like what the above commentor portrays. Wonder why? Could it be the one down there starting all of the trouble or could it be someone just claiming to be a volunteer? Or both?
Reading and understanding the audit would have kept you from looking so foolish.
One more thing. Why in the world would the report on "the eddie wilson thing" have anything to do with reporting things on Lloyd? You really showed your intelligence, or lack thereof, with that one.
My, My arn't Joe's boys getting a little touchie. Oh the trouble ahead if surace looses and a real leader checks into the key stone kiddies. They might need to change their dipers
the guy called volunteer fireman is not one, he is a surace plant. all the fireman know what is going on.
I still dont get where everyone thinks Lloyd is to blame for all that. I always thought council and the mayor were there to oversee where money was spent, who was doing right and wrong. I think we need to get rid of all them folks and start over.
Bubba sparxx, Boss Hogg, Eddie Munster, Johnnie Bravo....etc. are just jealous that the firemen have integrity and they treat their fellow firefighters with pespect. We see how the officers treat one another. Stab each other in the back, make false statements and accusations about one another. Its ridiculous. That department is the joke of this village.
Why hasn't Joe lascola and the former council members stepped up?
No records were kept regarding testing and inspection of vehicles, which is required by the state on an annual basis. If the pole sliders are such a Brotherhood, then why don't you care about how safe your buddy is? His department's equipment was outdated and NEVER tested for safety!! What is his excuse for that? He doesn't have one other than incompetence or laziness. A real brotherhood takes care of each other they make sure thier brothers are safe Mr. Lloyd. Those brothers have wives and children but your equipment was outdated and never tested for safety. Shame on you and shame on the people who are not demanding an answer, including the firemen.
outdated and never tasted for safety? atleast the fire dept. equipment and those black police cruisers had one thing in common!
Void Lloyd!! All volunteer fire!
Reality Check You question brotherhood? The MEN at the fire department could teach you some real lessons if you want to take off the rose colored glasses, pur away the finger pant, and take the play dough out of your ears. Brotherhood is not sneaking up on one another and popping a bag on the midnight shift. Brotherhood is not a mouse that a little noise makes him play barney fife and shoot his gun inside the fire department. Maybe the Fire MEN should get a frame and frame the bullet hole in the fire department with the officer's name (who was never repremanded). Then the next time they hold and open house we can see the incompodance of the police department. Maybe Marsha could give the boys at the police department a lesson on bullying. Lloyd bring in the broom. Fire Men you have earned your respect and remember the kiddie phrase----Sticks and Stones may break my bones but names can never harm me.
Ya'll don't have a clue how expensive it is to inspect fire vehicles, do ya'? I bet if you call the mayor right now and asked him if the vehicles are being inspected, he wouldn't have a clue and he would have to ask. This isn't a vehicle you can take to the gas station and have it looked at. You're talking in the $1,000 plus range, depending on size and type. Do your homework, I did!
I agree with Bubba Sparx on the odd fraternity comment about firemen. But it is not just firemen who do such things. Look at those who are members of labor unions. T-shirts, bumper stickers, etc. Then again, I have never seen a fireman attempt to use their title in order to get special privilege. How many times have we seen these young cops around town violate everyday laws just because they know they can. For example, running their lightbars and speeding just to blow a red light. And how many exploit their title of officer by using it try an incite fear into those who do not respect them, and that Garber kid is a prime example of that. Respect is not given, son, its earned. I could be wrong but the protect and serve model of policing has been lost in translation here.
Anonymous:
What a stupid comment. Even if it does cost money to inspect fire trucks and equipment so what. The firemen are at risk if the equipment and trucks arent inspected and maintained. Dave Lloyd did not do this. And he has no records of it to prove it. Why would he not take care of the equipement. It was part of his job that he got paid to do. He had 75% of the general fund transfers, I think he could have squeezed out some money to make sure his men were safe. I guess he wasnt worried about it, since he didnt even vote for the levy's.
Since you keep bring up equipment did the Keystone kop that keeps wrecking the department cars ever go out and get his licence back? or is he still driving without one. You know the one the wrecked the new darango that the insurance claim was not turned in because of no licence. The department had to pay for that out of our tax payer money Once again
Yes, I question a so-called brotherhood that does not bring Dave Lloyd to task for his failure to make sure all equipment was safe. That was his responsibility. A fireman's equipment is the most important part of his job, he is taking enough risk without having faulty equipment. If you care about the lives of your friends and brothers how can you not question such a failure of command. This stuff is not make-beleive, it is the state auditors performance audit. We are talking about people's lives and your unwillingness to take Dave Lloyd to task for gross negligence. You are right, you can't teach me a damn thing, I like to hold people accountable and I actually care about the lives of people who risk their lives for others. Why don't you explain your disregard for the safety of the men who worked for you, Mr. Lloyd or is that someone else's fault to.
reality check do you even know what a performance audit is? or are you just relying on what other people are telling you? Let's see the papers the soon to be ex-mayor has locked away in a safe from our taxpayer's money cleveland attorny. It sure must be a doosy. Maybe he should have just said oh hell and built two more pavillions What does that department have to hide. well it will be released soon unless the mayor already shredded the evidance
I am a Volunteer Fireman and I have to agree with reality check. I know we are a brotherhood, but that is supposed to mean we watch each others back, and I have a problem with Dave not maintaing and testing equipment. I know this isnt going to be popular with my brothers, but I feel we should have only a VFD. We can do it just a well or better than paid firemen. When it was a VFD only, we had plenty of men, and we had a first rate FD. With the money saved by having a VFD only, we could afford whatever equipment we needed. I'm sorry, but I think that is the way to go. I was for Joe, until Dave got into the race. But who you vote for is not something I have to share with my fellow firemen. I cant vote for Dave knowing this.
I'm sure Lloyd wishes he could shred the audit. The police dept. car accident has nothing to do with Lloyds mismangement of the WFD. Are you really gonna try and defend that lazy cow. Come on, he didnt do his job. Other departments suffered because most of the General Fund money went to his dept. He will do the same if he is elected. The FD will be favored, the paid firemen will be happy, but to hell with the equipment and inspections. Remember, the brotherhood takes care of their own, and that is what Lloyd will do. Thats all he will do. It will be the hell with everyone else in town. He never even went to council meetings as Fire Chief, will he if he is Mayor. He has lost any respect he may have had, by not coming out and answering the audit, and blaming others. I know how much you Lloyd supporters hate that too.
Some of you that are posting as a fireman are sure harming your own purpose to get the levy passed. If you are truly in this brotherhood I think you should not play the game the cops are playing before you cause the department to lose a few votes. I Was for it now you fellow firemen are starting to make me think that is not the way to go if you fight among yourselves like the police. My vote may now go the other way
Lori I don't think Steve would be to happy with your post!
As a Wellsville Firman, I will say, I was surprised to hear that Dave had not voted for our levys. But he explained why, and I really dont blame him. As far as the equipment and safety inspections I want to assure every taxpayer, that even though they werent done, no one was ever at risk. Please vote for Dave and the levy.
Where are Joe Lascola and council. They arent they stepping up for Mr. Lloyd. Also, Mr. Lloyd, why have you not responded to Ole Nib, or made your W@ forms public. These are questions many are asking, especially after reading the Review the last couple of days. Your explanation handed out in Surace fashion, is sadly lacking any merit. Please step up and do the right thing, and answer these very important questions to be fair to the voters of Wellsville.
A vote for Mayor Surace is not a vote against the levy. Please remember they are seperate. Also, remember, if firetrucks were donuts they would have be inspected thorougly and often.
post 4:16pm how about letting us see your w2 go ahead post it
I'm not running for Mayor, and trying to answer the damning audit. Besides, I am on salary, and dont get to give myself overtime like Mr. Lloyd. He needs to explain that to the voters. Also, he needs to explain why inspections were never done on the equipment. How can he even look the WFD in the face, forget about facing the taxpayers. Instead of putting out his lame statement, why not just answer the audit truthfully.
to: vol fireman are you a member of the wellsville fire dept. just asking. you semmed to know alot about them, and the way they act.
hey suracer i think your going to have enough problems real soon. time to fix the leek!!!!!!!
Anyone looking at W2 forms for personal gain at City Hall is way out of line, and should be repremanded or terminated for their actions. To add, the strategy of his campaign will cause grave personnel problems within his departments if he remains in office. I have no idea what this man and his supporters are thinking. I think they could be nuts.
Once again I am defending my actions for when I served as fire chief. My opponent or his supporters are determined to cloud this election with lies, innuendos and half truths. Instead of discussing the issues of the current administration, they continue to attempt to dig up dirt on me.
Apparently there is some concern as to why the equipment was not tested. When I submitted a budget request to the Council Finance Committee, I requested funding for the maintenance and testing of all equipment. The Finance Committee would meet and I would convey to them the fact that the testing was mandated by the State of Ohio and the liability for not testing the equipment was directly their responsibility. The budget was picked apart by the finance committee and many items were eliminated regardless what I had to say. I asked what if the truck broke down and I was told it may have to sit. My men were aware of this and we continued to operate, however there were some men that would not use certain equipment because of the lack of testing. We made the operation work however we could with what we had to work with.
I can remember one budget appropriation that they appropriated $200 for vehicle maintenance for the year. I am sorry I don’t remember the exact year, but it was after the Village voters passed a levy to purchase a new fire truck in 1996. That $200 was not even enough to cover the maintenance for the $200,000 truck that had just been purchased.
I don’t have any idea of the current fire department appropriation, but I doubt that there is adequate funding for testing and maintenance of vehicles and equipment.
In my last response I said that if you have any questions to please email me or call me. I would like to suggest this again. I have given you the consideration of signing my name to my responses and I think it only fair that you give me the same.
Dave Lloyd
Well stated Dave.
So you are not responsible for anything. That must be nice.
The dept. chiefs have a check book and they write checks whenever they want.No questions, no approval by anybody? Thats the way Wellsville government is run?
Are you reading the same response from Dave Lloyd as the rest of us? Where does it say one fricking word about the department head having a check book and just writing whatever he wants. Are you a retard?
I can't believe that tough girl "lori" writes what she writes but is scared to sign her name. What's a matter, afraid everyone will know who's village hall cum dumpster you are? Awful tough to throw out donut talk and yet don't leave your name. Maybe cause you're a lazy fat ass yourself. People who live in glass houses, well you know the rest.
Come on, keep your language clean.
I have read that audit cover to cover. There is no way, whatever Dave Lloyd says, that he can claim that he wasnt responsible for the no paper work, no inspections. The only reason he is on here trying to explain is because he knows it stinks to high heaven. He was paid to do the job, and failed miserably. Keep tryin Dave. Of course, it is sombody elses fault. But you were paid well to be chief. You sucked at it. Keep trying to defend it. You cant. Just what did you do as chief. Nothing that we can see. You are pathetic.
You don't know what your talking about. I'm a past Councilman who work very hard during the fiscal emergency process and I'll be at the next council meeting to address this propaganda. If you or any of your friends would like to debate the issue feel free to attend, I'll make you look like the fools that you are! Surace won't able to answer one question asked of him, nor will you. Oh, and don't for the audit so you can leave with it stuck were it belongs.
how ironic dave lloyd talking about lies innuendos and half truths. dave has ran a dirty campaign AND HE KNOWS IT. DONT WANT TO KNOW HOW HE IS GOING TO RUN THE CITY.dave be a man and tell the truth for once in your life
Next move mayor? So far, it seems Dave Lloyd has addressed anything you throw at him. If W-2s are public then why not go to village hall and request Lloyd's? Why does he have to produce them? Public Records Act will allow you to view them, if they are public. Surace supporters can bully Lloyd all they want but the truth is that he answers your questions whether you like the answers he gives is irrelevant. Why has your mayor not answered for himself?
He just came on here and blamed everyone else again. The very thing you accuse Mayor Surace is doing, Lloyd is doing. He got paid to do a job and didnt do it. I bet they never said, they didnt have the money for his paycheck. I bet that money was paid every payday. He has real nerve, I will say that, to ask people to vote for him considering he didnt vote, not even for the levys for HIS OWN DEPT and considering what a horrible job he did. Why should we pay this man another dime.
If you would take Suracers brains ans stick them up an ants ass, it would sound like bee bees rolling around in box car.
Hey, Dave,
Was that the firetruck that you bought that never ran and never was operable and was sold for salvage price? I guess $200 wouldnt fix that. What an ass. Buying a firetruck that doesnt run. Great job as Fire Chief. You cant seriously be wanting to run the whole village can you.
I hope Dave remembers what salvage yard we sold the fire truck to. Maybe we can get a fair price for the piece of shit street sweeper the Mayor bought which has never run. How much has that thing cost the Village?
I agree, the street sweeper has had problems. But I have seen it being used on and off. This truck, never ran. Why buy a firetruck that doesnt run in the first place. Hopefully, they will get the street sweeper working.
leave it to the lloydetts to start with the filthy talk. Hey, you are suppose to clean up the porn on the computer not put it on the computer...forget?
Got that right:
I dont think anyone is blaming council. I beleive council did work hard with the state to get us out of fiscal emergency. It is Dave Lloyd who ran the fire dept. in the red. He is the one who is saying council did things that were illegal. Why were you not charged with a crime if that is true.
Dave, did they always have the money to pay you???
Yeah, I have to agree. Dave, did they come and refuse you your payday? They never came through with anything else according to you. How many times did you not get paid for the great job you did.
Come on Lloyd, admit it. You were paid to do a job and you didnt come through. You retired because you couldnt over compensate yourself anymore. You were a piss poor fire chief and you would suck as a mayor.
I want to make myself clear. Even though I cannot support Dave, I still support the fire and flood wall levy's. I hope people dont take my previous post wrong. Please support the levy's they are for the good of the village.
Hey, how is that picture selling over there on ORL. I would have thought, that a cash cow lke that, would have raised enough money to put a good ad in the paper for , oh lets say 3 days in a row.
Dave,
Please answer this. How is it that, anytime you asked for money to carry out your job as Fire Chief you were denied. But you were never denied your educational and hazardous pay, gasoline allowance, Sunday premiums and overtime pay. To sum up, you were paid well and didnt do your job. Would you agree that is the sum total of your reign as Fire Chief?
Well, Mr. Lloyd, I am sorry to say that I was hoping all this about not maintaining and inspecting equipment was untrue. I am truly disappointed to hear you say this was not done. I can only assume the other points in the audit are also true and it seems you have no good retort. You have just lost our votes, sir.
No money to update equipment but lots of money for Davey boy.
Dave:
If you are running for Mayor, seems to me you would have an idea about funds in the fire department and what you would do to correct the situation if there arent funds avaliable. I guess we have to wait 3-4 months into term to get real answers. Anytime you are asked a question, you never seem to have a real answer. But then, if you couldnt do anything about it as FC, why would anyone think you would as Mayor. Vote Surace
It seems to me like Dave Lloyd doesnt have much to be proud about considering his State certified audit. His record speaks for itself. Now he's playing the blame game. What else can he do I guess. Say I ripped off the tax payers and didnt do my job.
You people are going to get beat bad. You have no idea how to run an election. The friends of Joe Surace have cost him the election. He needed to speak on his own, he needed to address the issues, instead of the Part Time PD doing it for him. Joe you should of had experience helping you, instead of listening to the same people who caused you all the trouble. I truly think your done.
If I was Dave some pert time cops would be looking for a job Jan 1, 08.
still waiting to hear if dave lloyd always got his check with gas allowance, overtime, education and hazardous pay...gee, I forget what else, there was so much. Anyway, I want to know if they always had the money for dave..not equipment or updates or safety inspections..did dave get HIS?
Yes, I too would love to hear Daves thoughts on why he always got paid and perks, but there was no money for him to actually do his job.
I hope Nib and his readers have noticed that most, if not all, the ridiculous recent comments about Dave Lloyd are written by the same person. I'm sure we'll see more angry comments by that person (pretending to be many people) calling me names, etc.
Dont flatter yourself.
Matt, I would say that is some wishful thinking on your part. I guess your bored because there is no activity over at ORL. Why don't you come to Wellsville and wish the Mayor good luck tomorrow?
He's going to need more then luck. Even the people who support Joe have had enough embarrassment.
Yes, if Mr Surace would of had enough respect for the village people to answers some questions that would have made a big difference for alot of us.. You just CAN'T continue to evade all the questions this village has for him..NOT A WISE CHOICE..And how many people say they are going to vote for him when indeed they are not..
AND I AGREE WITH MATT, THE SAME PERSON IS POSTING ALOT OF THESE SURACE POSTS.
DOESN'T TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO SEE THAT...
g.r.--
I will be in Wellsville tomorrow, but not to wish Surace good luck. So catch me if you can!
Is it possible for the Surace campaign to stoop any lower? Who haven't you people tried to intimidate? There's nothing more to say about this election. By now, people understand that it's about good and evil. For Wellsville's sake, I hope the good guys win.
goodnight mat
Wellsville people have good memories Allmon. Remember the Gas Station on 17th St. we do. We don't need your crap.
Just stopped and casted a vote for Lloyd. Can't wait to hear all you cry babies tonight. In the words of the great Terrell Owens: GET YOUR POPCORN.
Matt:
PLEASE STAY OUT OF WELLSVILLE. NOBODY WANTS YOU HERE EXCEPT DIANE DINCH AND DOLLY. WE DONT WANT YOU HERE. YOU ARE NOT WELCOME. STAY IN EAST LIVERPOOL AND WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN ELECTIONS.
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