It's time. A week from today is Election Tuesday and we eligible Wellsville residents will be voting for the future of the ville. The item on the ballot getting the most attention is the race for mayor. We have a choice between incumbent Mayor Joe Surace and independent candidate Dave Lloyd. We at thevilleview endorse and recommend that we stay the course and re-elect Joe Surace for another term. We didn't come to this decision lightly.
There is no doubt in our minds that Dave Lloyd is a good family man but when it comes to leading our village into a hopefully exciting future we think he is lacking in four particular areas. Number one and the foremost detracting item is his failure to vote in the past six years. If a person that professes concern for the fate of our village not voting makes us question the sincerity of that concern. Mr. Lloyd publicly confirmed twice in the last two weeks that this is indeed true and that he has not bothered to vote. This is an issue that has nagged at us since it came out. How many issues have we voted on in the last six years? Many of us have found the time to get to the polls and voice our concern on those issues. In our way of thinking there is no excuse for not voting for that long. If someone feels that his government has let him down it is time to vote for changes. It is time to voice your concern and your passion for your home. It is not time to skulk away and pout.
The second distraction that bothered us is the reasons Mr. Lloyd stated for his decision to retire as a village employee. From his lloydformayor web site and we quote "In either 2001 or 2002 we were going to be declared in fiscal emergency again. I was trying to operate an emergency service on a shoestring and to go through more cuts and no money to work with, I took my retirement". That is a quote verbatim from the Questions and Answers segment of Mr. Lloyd's site. There is an old saying that goes something to the effect that "when the going gets tough the tough get going". In other words the tough stick with it, try to work through the adversities and see it through to the end. We agree that such problems may seem immense and insurmountable and the easiest solution would seem to be to simply walk away. Let someone else deal with it. That is what Mr. Lloyd did. For that reason we have to question his compassion & sincerity to make Wellsville a better place. Is Dave suddenly a born again concerned citizen? Can we have faith that he will stick with it in good times and bad?
Mr. Lloyd was quoted as saying at the Future Voters event that if there was one thing he could change it would be the attitude of us ville people. He said there is too much negativity which brings us to our third concern. It seems that Mr. Lloyd's most vocal supporters have no end to their smear and mud slinging. With Surace's quiet campaign it seems Lloyd's people are the greatest generators of the negative innuendoes and so far Dave has done nothing to refute the tone of their negativity. If it is such a concern than why are the Lloyd supporters continuing to use it? Are they ignoring his wishes? What are we to think of what a Lloyd administration will behold?
Our fourth concern is Dave's public appearances. Surace has been trashed to no end for his not attending the debate over in Lisbon and having his daughter speak for him at the meet the candidates night. Lloyd appeared at both but it is apparent that Dave is only showing up for events in which he will be showcased. How many council meetings has he been to in the last year? Did he join in the show of support for the Revitalization Committee's events? Did he attend the WFD open house this past Saturday? Is there a tone of self concern being shown? You decide but it loomed as a concern for us to consider.
Our choice, Joe Surace, was fairly new to politics when elected to his first term. There have been some blunders but we don't feel they were of an arrogant or intentional nature. We think that Joe's efforts were all for the benefit of the ville. Being new to politics we think Joe was and continues to be wise to seek counsel of others that have been there. We like what we have seen accomplished with the appearance of our village and also like what has been indicated and will continue to be an on-going effort. Joe walked into a mess with our village government and has been diligently working to improve matters. That is something that won't happen overnight and will continue to be a gloomy shadow cast over us until he can get attitudes of all concerned turned around. As Joe has found out not everyone is working together toward a common goal for the betterment of this place we call home. We like that Joe's emphasis has been on working as a team and his encouraging the formation of the various committees that have been enthusiastically working to make this a better place. We were glad to see that Joe has been able to work with- in the financial restraints of the limited funds of our village budget and has shown the initiative to seek out other sources of funding with grant money and donations. We also like that Joe has shown remarkable concern for people's feelings, positions and the welfare of the village. One of those main concerns is our Police Dept. The people involved there were in place when Joe took office. It is apparent that he has tried to let the WPD personnel work through their problems and was finally forced to take a public stand of intruding on their authority with the much publicized outside, impartial investigation. Since the completion of the investigation Joe has continued to be considerate of the sensitivities of all involved. In his way we feel he is dealing with this particular problem with dignity for all. Others have tried to make it an election issue showing no thought of all the complexities.
Somewhere along the line a while back someone said Joe was conducting a "gentleman's campaign". It has been frustrating for us and his opponent's supporters. If it wasn't for others we would have nothing to write about. Some say Joe is hiding but nothing could be farther from the truth. The mayor has an open door policy, has presented himself at many public events that were not centered around him and is present at council meetings. Anyone from a concerned resident to members of the media can easily approach Joe at any of these times. We do not call this hiding. Some of us would have liked to see Joe come out swinging but obviously Joe decided that wasn't necessary in this campaign.
We believe that Joe Surace has shown he has the best interest of Wellsville in mind and have been given no reason to doublt that he will continue in this manner. We believe Joe Surace is the man to lead our government into the next few years. We recommend that you good people re-elect Joe Surace to a second term.
ole nib
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I don't live in Wellsville and I don't really care either way...but this was a very thought out endorsement, unlike a certain other published one that said not to vote for him because "he didn't show up for our interview or our event, so don't vote for him."
That sounded kind of like a little kid saying, you don't play by my rules so I'm going to take my toys and go home.
I think that was a great post Ole Nib.. I think alot of people feel the same way..by the way if you ever need another place to write.. you are more than welcome to come to my place..maybe give me some pointers on what you would like to see there or added..Just opened
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Old nib,
Very nice write up. I commend you on thevilleview endorsement. I know it does not come without a lot of thought. I too endorse Mayor Surace for the very same reasons. Mayor Surace has ran a clean campaign. He has chosen not to sling the mud or has not allowed others to sling it for him. He might be soft spoken but he truly is a gentleman. All I can say is. GO JOE. We're in it for the long haul. Four more years.
I don't believe the morning journal's endorsement said "he didn't show up for our interview or our event, so don't vote for him."
What is said was: "Surace did not seek our endorsement. He did not respond to our request for an endorsement interview and failed to show for TWO (my emphasis) personal pre-election interviews scheduled with a Journal reporter. He also did not respond to our invitation to attend a mayoral candidate forum Oct. 24...quite frankly, because of his unwillingness to communicate with us, we really don't know what Surace plans to do if re-elected."
I think that is quite a bit different than "he didn't show up for our interview or our event, so don't vote for him."
As for Dave attending events set up to "showcase him," that's ludicrous. They were CANDIDATE FORUMS, for God's sake. EVERY mayoral candidate was invited.
Those who truly care what their constituents think showed up.
P.S.: Not showing up at two SCHEDULED pre-election interviews is not just stupid on the part of any candidate, it's discourteous, no matter who it is.
Ole nib: If I recall correctly you said on October 26 in your “Kudo’s blog”, last sentence - first paragraph, “I wanted to get an impartial take on the proceedings“. We now read this blog, just four days later, where you profess you endorsement and support for the current mayor. One can only assume that you were not being truthful when you made that statement on October 26. What I found interesting, in this blog, is your play on the mayor’s attributes, but refusal to admit to or any acknowledgement of his failures. I understand you used a lot of words in this blog and giving you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you just ran out of room. Maybe you will find time after the election, when you have nothing to fear. Blogs are intended to stimulate debate. This blog provide nothing other than who you are supporting as if that would influence anyone. One final note, your use of “good people” in your final sentence of this blog equates to your use of the “decent people” in your previous blog entitled “Another Staged Event”. Are you insinuating that those who do not agree with you are bad or indecent? I wonder how your neighbors will response to that?
Wiz, I have a blog. No, I won't tell you what it is. The main purpose of my blog isn't for debate, but to chat with my friends, like a running journal of sorts. Blogs are for whatever you want. WHy don't you sign up for one of your own? They are lots of fun.
And to continue, if Ole Nib wants to put his favorite cookie recipe on here or pictures of his kids or his car or funny photos he finds on the internet...it's HIS BLOG! He can say whatever he wants to say on it, as long as he doesn't violate copyright laws or put pornography on it. Heck, if he wants to take a photo of his left shoe he can. You go, Ole Nib!
It is dave lloyd's choice to vote or not to vote. when a name is on the ballot that does not desearve to be put into an office to decide very important issues that effect your life and mine he should not get the vote. as for mr. lloyd to choose to retire from the fire department. I feel that was a very noble thing to do. Before you made that post did you check on the money he might have saved the village in wages, insurance, and other benefits? As for the mud slinging in this election, it looks like joe is wallowing in mud of his own making. Your fourth concern is rather disterbing, Showing your face to get your picture in the paper and responding to voters concerns are two very different matters.
Joe was new to politics, if you remember he was knocking on doors throughout the village telling voters what they wanted to hear. (even if you wanted to hear one thing and I wanted to hear another)
As for walking into a mess... The mess was over all that needed done was the final papers with the state signed..He brought in his problems, and made no attempt to become a leader and correct them. He let them fester! As for the police department being there when he took over you Better take a good look at the department. I think you have been misinformed in this area. I think only 4 full time offercers were from the past administration. Please check this and respond. In conclusion the only thing Joe is leading into if he is elected to another 4 year term is fiscal emergency. And then the state would then run this village.
Great news, a lloydette has vandalized all the Surace signs in the ville. The billboard sign as well. Black spray paint on all Joes signs. I wonder if this will change some minds about letting these thugs in office.
Yo Nib--
I was wondering when you were going to come right out and endorse Surace. Well, the wait is over! It may be too little too late, though.
From what I'm seeing and hearing, the Surace campaign is in meltdown mode. Even his inner circle is fed up with his refusal to defend his record publicly. While Joe is balled up in a corner somewhere, you and his other friends are out speaking FOR him. A candidate who is afraid to defend his own record isn't much of a candidate.
Your criticism of Dave Lloyd makes it obvious that you do not know him or his record as fire chief. As for the "mudslinging" at Surace, that term suggests that the criticism of his record is somehow irrelevant and untrue. But if you look at the facts of Surace's first term--you know, all the stuff he refuses to field questions about--you see ample evidence of poor management, poor judgment, and incredible arrogance. Even his own people readily admit to his many mistakes in office. So how is any of this mudslinging? Even if you believe it is, then your candidate has clearly run for cover and doesn't plan to come out until after the election.
Anyhow, good luck with it, my friend. Like you, I look forward to seeing how this all turns out.
It seems to me that "mudslinging" is only that if the other candidate is making the mud.
I have yet to see Dave Lloyd say a bad word against Mayor Surace, although there has been much said on the blogs about him by other people, obviously Lloyd supporters.
There is a big difference in my mind.
And, like Matt, I don't think pointing out a candidates' shortcomings or failings can be considered mudslinging; it's just the truth, no matter which candidate you're discussing.
That said, whomever is destroying election signs is wrong. It only reflects badly on the opponent, who most certainly isn't encouraging such actions.
Why won't Lloyd say who his administration will be? Who will it be mr. Lloyd? He is not going to keep the people who tried to get rid of him. He won't say because people do not want Cruella DeVille in there.
Calling Surace's campaign a "quiet campaign" is a nice way to spin things. Even to the most impartial observer, it looks like he's hiding. He's given people NOTHING...no interviews, no responses to the papers, no forums...nothing except pictures. Maybe someone should tell him that "a picture is worth a thousand words" but pictures shouldn't replace your campaign speech.
Gee mat, I guess you got your sign war.
I don't believe for one minute that any Lloyd supporter would vandalize Surace signs. There just isn't anyone involved in Lloyd's campaign who would stoop to that level. I say this with 100 percent certainty.
On the other hand, we might look toward those who are desperate to pin something negative on Lloyd as possible culprits. Desperate people do desperate things for attention. Let the voters draw their own conclusions.
IN REGARDS TO THE SIGN VADALISM
I, along with my committee, would like to assure everyone that we have had NO PART in ANY criminal activity during this campaign. We have demanded a clean campaign from the very beginning and continue to demand it. My committee and I are intelligent enough to know that this type of behavior would only make us look bad and we would NEVER condone such behavior.
Although it has been a very heated campaign, we would like to tell Mayor Surace how sorry we are for this happening. Please know that we would never resort to such behavior. We know how much hard work goes into these signs and we honestly feel bad about it. It was wrong and we hope that whoever did this is caught and punished to the fullest extent. We strongly hope that the police investigate this to the fullest, including going to ALL area ‘dollar’ type stores and other places that sell black spray paint. We deserve to know who would attempt to make us look bad as well as Mayor Surace.
David Lloyd and Committee to Elect
Are you for real people? First off, every election year in some town there is some kind of vandalizing going on with signs. Guess you didnt know that Lloyd signs were stolen from yards or just tossed down the street. I do not feel Surace had anything to do with that. These men have other things going on then to take the time and destroy signs. They have no control over what others may do.
By the way "nice paint", since you posted at 3:30am, did you call the police?? Second, I think there are alot of people who have not voted every year of their lives since the age of 18. But, I dont think that makes them a poor choice. I always thought voting was a choice. You either do it or you dont. Your reasons are your own.
Atleast Dave Lloyd never tried to dodge the question. Even showing up at the recent public events he knew it would be asked....and he answered. As far as the Firemen's Open House....you would ridicule him for showing up and accuse him of trying to use that as another way of securing votes. I just wish Surace would have showed up to the candidate forums....as a taxpayer I'd like to know what his plans are for the future of Wellsville. I have heard or read nothing about what he wants for this village! Hopefully it wont include any more pavilions, investigations, etc...
Right, Lloyd's people "wouldn't even stoop to that level"! Consider who even wrote that little gem. Mr. I get hysterical about Wellsville and Joe Surace. I guess it doesn't matter that his own town looks like a toilet. They all are screaming a little to loud.
Let's see..it's Halloween...could it be...oh, no! KIDS painting the mayor's signs?
I can't wait until this stupid election is finished.
Damn Nib get your nose out of the Mayor's rearend.
If the Mayor really did think the way that you spoke about in your article, that is for him to say.
I laughed when you called it a "gentlemans campaign". More like a deaf-mute campaign to me.
He does speak right?? Or do you and the Police chief do it for him?
Yeh, it's sad, beleive me, Missy,
When you're born to be a sissy
Without the vim and verve.
But I could show my prowess, be a lion not a mouess
If I only had the nerve.
The Nerve sung by the Cowardly lion now staring at the liberty theater autographs at village hall
[QUOTE: Why won't Lloyd say who his administration will be? ]
I had posted this earlier but it appears to be missing (unless you posted this under another thread and my comment is there), regardless, here is it again:
On his web site, Dave says quite clearly he is not getting rid of anyone in village hall "if they do their job."
And NO mayoral candidate ever tells before the election who they will have as their administrators, except the incumbents.
Mayor Joe Surace has committed campaign fraud. Keep a close eye on upcoming news reports. He lied to the people and the News Medea. The evidence proves it!
Campaign hysteria on both sides. Although Matt is just an asshole about everything. Matt, just to let you know, as an insider, the insiders of the campaign are not throwing in the towel, or upset, or painting our own candidates signs. On the contrary, we are busy with a little something for the opponent. And his people, which our people of your caliber, would stoop so low as to paint signs, what wouldnt you do. Buckle up, read the paper, get ready asshole. You will be investigating till the cows come home
People on the side of Surace painted the signs. They did to help his campaign. That's the kind of people we have running this town, frauds and fakes! The best is still yet to come. Can't wait till the people find out the truth about this man. Good Move Surace, but your going down!
I cant wait to see you people scrambling later today and tomorrow to defend Dave Lloyd. Save your efforts. It is not defendable. Cruella will be at Village Hall later researching like a rabid dog. Enjoy
Dogma:
That is absurd. My father ran for office years ago before he moved to Wellsville. It was for Mayor, and he most certainly announced his adm. and was expected to do so. That is just not an accurate statement. The voters have a right to know if Cruella is part of the adm. If you think Dave Lloyd will keep Jim Sarrocco and Jennifer Soldono etc. then you are nuts. Really think about it. You think he is leaving everyone in place, when he is running because he says everything is so bad, no leadership. These people have leadership positions. Sorry, that is purely a political answer on the part of Lloyd.
I beg to differ with you. I dont think the secretary position will change at all. She does a hell of a job in there. She does more work in that village hall than all those idiots combined. I worked in there with her before and let me tell you....she is underpaid and overworked!! I believe she could take a medical leave for insanity for dealing with the daily crap in village hall. Remember....he wants to change the positions of those who dont do their jobs....Jennifer is not one of those! I'm sure Surace supporters want her to believe she'll lose her job...just another "scare vote"!!!!
Cruella DeVille, Cruella DeVille
You'll get a cold chill
When you walk through the Ville
If she doesn't scare you
nothing else will.
Except maybe her friend, lard Ass.
I for one, do not want to see truck loads of dead puppies all over the village. Hey, wait a minute....Cruella DeVille, Fire Dept, Dalmations...what the?
Boy, she really did bust our stategy wide open. She must be another member of Mensa. Damn!
Reading is fundamental and dont forget it.
TO WAKE UP: 10:12am Why should Llyod let the people know who will be employed under him? Doesn't seem to bother you that ..Surace hasn't even come out to the public to discuss any questions.
Re: M.."Your criticism of Dave Lloyd makes it obvious that you do not know him or his record as fire chief."
No wonder you no longer work for a newspaper.
THIS JUST IN!!
The Wellsville Press endorses Dave Lloyd for Mayor!! Rumor has it the Wellsville K of C and JAYCEES will soon follow. With these heavy weights on board, the local union at H K Porter can't be far behind.
I think Eddie did it....LMAO
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Desperation, Desperation, Desperation. Going back to 2002? Let's concentrate on what going on today not yesterday. Let's move forward and elect Dave Lloyd for Mayor.
Amen desperation. This BS is not even true...
Anonymous--
Unlike you, I know the truth of the situation and am not anonymous. Those who are attempting to blame Mr. Lloyd for village council's negligence are simply lying. There is no other way to put it. It has come to this. Nice try, but it won't wash.
It is all public record, go check it out..it is right there in the state performance audit when he was chief. That is how he ran the fire dept...right into the ground and he has no business trying to run Wellsville. It is not a "nice try" it is FACT.
I'm sick of this shit! This is totally unfair! Why does M get to have his identity in BLUE and my name is in plain old black? My posts are definitely more important plus I'm from Wellsville! I want a complete investigation. This is an outrage! Oh by the way, Mad Magazine just called, backin Lloyd all the way!
Falcon Eddie,
GO to Blogspot.com and create a blog, and post under that name. Then your name will be in blue, too. :)
Matt,are you seriously saying the blame is council negligence? Now come on, who do we blame for the double time and half holiday's that Dave Lloyd worked and received pay for? Who do we blame for the serious amount of overtime that your candidate received? (You know about the high three years before you retire right)? Who do we blame for the gasoline allowance,and educational pay? All perks that should have been given up to reduce spending before Wellsville went into Fiscal Emergency. Council received none of these things I mentioned. Who do we blame for the wreckless spending while your candidate was the Chief? Who? Let's name the names of that council. I would dare to think you would blame Joe LaScola, John McClelland, Diane Dinch, Don Brown, Jack Cataldo,and your buddy Rayburn? And Let's not forget Tom LaScola, he signed the checks and purchase orders right? Come on Matt, you know it, and "THE VILLE" knows it. I think Dave is done. The record speaks for itself. Transfers were made, Council did the best they could do to stop the bleeding. And one last thing, If you learn one thing from this comment, you have learned that if any one single person was negligent that would have been Dave Lloyd for not voting for any levies while the Village of Wellsville was in the red going down the tubes directly after his tenure as one of the highest paid village employees. Period.
I think the color blue on the names is because those people are Google bloggers. This is actually a test to see how my name comes up. If I'm right my name will appear in blue. Then of course it could be something to do with who you back in the mayor's race. :-)
I didn't sign in - just clicked on "other". Lets see....
Ok - now I signed in. Let's see what happens.
Well, there goes my theory! Hey Matt, why do you get blue?
Hey Rosie - why is reading fundenmental? What are you trying to tell us?
LOL.....yeah if LLoyd would have spent more wisely...he could have built a pavilion. Hell, maybe 2 or 3 through out the town. A $10,000 pavilion was the best thing Surace did for this village. Now the drug dealers in training wont get wet!!
[Quote: Who do we blame for the gasoline allowance,and educational pay? All perks that should have been given up to reduce spending before Wellsville went into Fiscal Emergency. Council received none of these things I mentioned. Who do we blame]
Council SHOULD NOT have gotten those things. They are elected officials. Dave was an employee, apparently entitled to those "perks" by way of the contract given him BY CITY COUNCIL.
Did Surace give up his village-owned car when he got elected? How does that differ from a gas allowance?
City Council and the mayor are ULTIMATELY responsible for any over-spending that took place, no matter which employee benefited.
If they felt Dave was being over-paid or over-compensated with "perks," it was up to COUNCIL to stop it before the village went into fiscal emergency.
Were there ever any findings for recovery against Dave Lloyd or, for that matter, the village in regard to the fire department? If so, I have never read anything to that effect.
ol nib maybe the fact that your already on your own blog has an effect. Try signing in on Matts blog and your name will be as blue as a Surace supporter on the 7th
Thanks for investigating this Ole Nib. I knew I'd get a fair shake on a Wellsvillian's blog. The info is still rolling in...The IBOSDP has just thrown it's considerable weight behind the Lloyd campaign. For the uneducated that's the International Brotherhood of Shut Down Potteries. Both Sterling and GVI are on board. No more mud slinging...It's all serious now!
Seven weeks till Christmas!
Five days until election day!
Yes, life will go on, even in Wellsville, after Nov. 6.
ahhhh, so what you are saying is, Scarbino, AKA, deputy douchebag doesn't get these perks? is that what you are telling me? He doesn't MILK the system with OT pay, leaving work early, driving his daughter to school on company time, and holiday double time? Hell Dave was on duty on those days and working. Scarbino lets known murderers sit at home and wait for trial. Not to mention cover up other murders. Let's focus on something a little more important than some bogus story the suracers and scarbinos are saying. The future of our village depends on tuesday. If surace isn't voted out and scarbino isn't sent packing, what do they think they CAN'T get away with? I will officially start locking my door.
Nib--
If you post under your Blogger account, your name should come up blue and underlined. If you run it through "other," it won't. Every once in a while the software goes a little haywire. Maybe that's all it is.
If this is all untrue have your candidate make his W2 forms public for the last 3 years he was chief, which will prove how much he took over and above his salary during fiscal emergency from the tax payers. If he does not make his W2's public someone probably will since they are public record.
The future of your village? Oh, for the love of God, are you people worked up or what? Do you realize that 40 miles in any direction from there, nobody knows where you even are? Or cares?
You miss the point: he was getting paid for WORKING...if it was overtime, then he EARNED it.
Would YOU turn down overtime pay?
Yeah, right you would.
There is nothing illegal about that.
If he was getting money he didn't EARN, state auditors would have issued a finding for recovery against him/the village.
You people are grasping at straws.
And if you want Dave's W2s opened up for public scrutiny, let's see ALL village employees'tax records.
What about the PD all coming to council meetings asking for raises when the Village had no money. Real Class. What about the Chief turning in overtime for Memorial Day Patrice. You people make my ass tired, get over it. Next week will tell the tail. If Surace wins we have the same underhanded shit to deal with. If Lloyd wins we have leadership. No leadership or leadership, the choice is yours.
The painters union called. Wanted to know why they weren't given the opportunity to paint OVER the Surace campaign signs. I've ordered a complete investigation.
Is my name in blue?????
hey there tax payer isnt your's also public record? don't throw stones when you live in a glass house as well...lose lips sink ships. just a hint for ya...
Well, it looks like Surace will not turn over the public information requested by the press. Hiding something Joe? At the next council meeting a motion needs placed on the table for him to do so. Council needs to pass a motion forcing the Mayor to turn over the report. They have that power and should use it. If not, he will be in court. Boy that report must kick him and the PD in the ass! Hiding something Joe I think So. See you in Court, more Wellsville tax dollars down the drain. Shame on you!
I betcha if you ask Lloyd about the audit......he'll explain it. He'll answer EVERY question you ask.....unlike the other candidate. So Suracers......you believe that your candidate is allowed to "sit" on the findings issued by attorneys you paid around $20,000 for......while he sits back and claims attorney/client privilege? How much are you taxpayers willing to spend on the next attorney you hire......the one to represent the mayor in the slander lawsuit? Yep, let's leave mr mountaineer racetrack in there.
JM said.
The information is confidential between client and Lawyer? The Client are the people of Wellsville.
Since you blamed it Council in the first place, they should pass a motion to make the information public. If you Mayor are the client then pay the bill!
I think the Mayor is the client due the legal action taken by Wilson. Pay the bill Mayor, or turn over the PUBLIC INFORMATION YOU ARE HIDIND!!!!!!! Council do your job pass the motoin at the next meeting.
TO:
Morning Journal and East Liverpool Review, Take this man to court!
It's far from closed, it's just beginning! This shows what a pee brain this man has. It's going away.
Everyone read the Audit. Dave Lloyd wasted alot of taxpayer money and almost single handedly put us in Fiscal Emergency. It is all there in black and white. If Mr. Lloyd doesnt make his W2 forms public, we will.
I reiterate: if HIS are made public, then EVERY SINGLE VILLAGE OFFICIAL and EMPLOYEES' W2 needs released, too, and that includes the police CHIEFS at the same time and since then, police officers, street department workers, etc.
Might be some real telling tales.
(and if you went back before the village's water workers went to BWD, you might see even more OVERTIME spending that probably hastened the fiscal emergency)
Doubtful you can pin the entire fiscal emergency on one dept.
Oh, and by the way, who was it accusing the Lloyd camp of mudslinging? You have a lot of room to talk now.
Why Cant We The People Have A Copy Of Our Report?We paid for it,we want it!I will be talking to an attorney later today,so maybe I should just ask what my legal rights are.Maybe some body else can explain this situation to me?I would almost bet,get it bet,this could turn into another lawsuit.Maybe class action?
I am sure Diane Dinch will let everyone know what is in the report after she reads it. At least her version of it. Maybe she can call another press conference at her house for the huge media.
play nice there mrs. ask i belive your on village time.
Cruella will call a press conference so fast your head will spin..of course it will have the Cruella spin on it. Hope she gets rid of those dead puppies before the reporters get there.
I am not on village time. I am working though. I would like Matt to tell us if he has read the audit before it blasts everyone. The audit makes it clear about Daves mismanagement. I dont care what Matt wrote about. He and the Lloydettes have bashed the Mayor so much, I guess they thought they were completely untouchable. Well, Lloyd has a past too, and he should answer to it. Lets hear it. And not blame everyone else. I see now why he quit.
A 2002 report? Let's see the report the Mayor is hiding. You people who keep bring up an audit from 2002 are a joke. Find something else to cry about. Your getting my ass kicked and don't know what to do. Maybe the news tomorrow will shut you assholes up. Can't wait to vote!
Dave if you win, there's a bad leak at the city hall that need's fixed. And it's not water.
the leak will be fixed in january when she is no longer there. that is what the people wanted to get her out of office.We the people are tired of all the bullcrap. everyday something new about some lame thing. what about the real issues. who is the best candidate for the job? who can lead wellsville into the future. who is the best candidate that will think of the betterment of wellsville. who is the best candidate that does not play on the fears of people, but is a TEAM player not one that thinks of himself, but thinks of the feelings of all around. who is the best man for the job and who will make the best decision to benefit all of wellsville and just not one for one particular department.
and if you say Dave lloyd all he has said is stuff that Joe Surace and his administration is already doing, on the real issues not one thing is new.all dave and his committee has done was name call mudslinging, he has avoided all new ideas. there is no original idea from him so please someone give me one thing dave plans on doing that is original. lets be adult and not act like two year olds
I got a couple of things to say:
1.) DON'T DEFACE, VOTE SURACE !!!!
2.) VOID LLOYD !!!!!!!!
The two year old jumped in.
Wow, I can't believe how quiet we all have become. Wellsville, a nice place to live.
Next subject. I hope someone checks out the voter registrations at the Board of Elections. Maybe the Ville will have a new RITA Tax base. Since all who registered to vote for the Ville, plans on paying 1% of their earned income wages.
Wellsville, a nice place to live.
So Rita, you dont pay income taxes where you live? Let us in on this scam
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