In case you don't keep up with the Wellsville Forum, (http://wellsvilleohio.proboards75.com/), the future voters have announced that their event has been rescheduled to Thursday - the 25th. That way our mayoral candidates are free to attend both the debate over in Lisbon on the 24th and the meet & greet here in the ville.
The meet & greet in the ville is scheduled for 7 P.M. at the Alumni Center a week from this Thursday. The MJ/Channel 27 debate is to be held at the David Anderson High School from 6 to 9 P.M. on Wednesday, October 24th.
Incidently, if you want to submit any questions for the candidates at the debate you can e-mail them to the MJ. They said any questions must be in by Monday, the 22nd and must be marked for the specific candidate.
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I emailed Lloyd as I read his website.. I would jus tlike to know a few things. Seriously everyone can spew out what they think the public might want to hear. and right now jsut saying that you WILL CHANGE things in wellsville will get you someone that will listen. So some of the things that I asked are as follows.. I will wait and see if I get a response.. Now before anyone starts, im not targeting Lloyd nor am I trying to start anything with him... Just wanting to know where he stands...
This is for the comments page on lloydformayor.com
Hi. Although I have never met you at this point, I was reading upon some of the things going on in Wellsville.. I would like to ask a few questions on your objectives
#1 The construction of Baard Energy underway. -
Isnt this already underway? I hope that that anyone who is is seated as Mayor will do all that they can to make sure that this happens and follow any lead available.
#2 A company housed in the former Sterling China building.-
I dont mean to sound negative, and I might be wrong, who knows what the future will bring, But at this point, I nor anyone else sees any company anytime soon doing anything with the old Sterling China building. This building would be better suited torn down. But the expense is to overwhelming..
#3 A plan to increase our population and have adequate housing available for that increase.-
I know this sounds like a great idea, but where will the money come from to build these new homes, and where will they be built? Where will all of the new people go IF,and I say IF the new BAARD project doesnt come through for Wellsville. You can't put all your money in one pot, you have to have some sort of backup plan.
I know you and everyone else might mean well, but all of this said. Just stating things like you have mentioned are not only obvious things that are already going on or might be possible to anyone that would want to run for mayor, What we really want to hear are
What have you done so far at this point to make any sort of contacts to any company willing to locate within the village.
Have you made any contacts at this point to bring any new residents or new housing to the village?
Do you have now or have any plans to contact any company willing to reside within the Sterling China building, if so examples please.
What are your plans IF the BAARD plant does not come through. What will bring in new jobs, homes, residents at that point.
I only ask these questions as I know many others would like to know. I realize that some may read this as all negative but these are honest questions and not meant to be taken in that way. You are running for OUR village Mayor,. We would like to know that you would have a plan.
It is easy to take the obvious things that a voter might want to hear and throw them out in a crowd, but we need to know that you have a plan behind these words. If so can you please post them here. This would be greatful
Thank You
Ole Nib:
Is it me, or after last nights council meeting, why should anyone care about any debates or elections. No matter what council was asked, there was nothing they could do. I pity any Mayor, no matter who is elected, to try and do anything with the "do nothing council". They probably arent even embarressed by their own inaction. If I had to read the newspaper today, and see that I'd crawl in a hole. How the Mayor can get anything done with those lumps sitting there is beyond me. And they dress like they are getting ready to clean out their garages, not representing the village. Of course they arent cleaning out their garage, because they dont do anything and their is no ordinance enforcing them to do so. I wish there was a Council Bootcamp and we could send them there and make them stay and until they can come back and behave like the didnt just fall off the turnip truck. They are an embarresment to the whole village.
Have to agree about council. There is a lot of apathy in the village and that is how they stay in there. I also think most folks can see through this meet and greet the candidates forum. The school certainly did. Has anyone asked Mr. Lloyd who will be in his administration if he is elected?
Who will Mr. Lloyd be appointing is a very good question. If you vote for him, you get his appointees also. Does anyone know who they are. It is customary to announce that during campaign time, not after you are elected. That is something everyone needs to know. As for the Council, we need to start all over. What a bunch of deadbeats.
"Is it me, or after last nights council meeting, why should anyone care about any debates or elections."
I think you answered your own question within your question. This is EXACTLY why we should care about having a debate or meet the candidates' night. We need to know what type of council person they intend to be before we vote.
I agree, but they NEVER do anything they say they will. Everyone one there has been there since Wellsville was founded or was there before and are trying to get back on. We need new people that we need to get to know. We already know all these peoples MO.
So Humiliated..you are soooo right. Regardless of who becomes the mayor, he still has to work with a do-nothing council. But I guess if people keep voting them in they get what they deserve.
Sorry for not responding earlier but for some reason I couldn't get on. I don't know if it was my ISP, Google or the computer gremlins.
Have to agree that there appears to be some apathy with our village council but in all fairness to them I have to say their job is to legislate. They make the rules and it is someone else's job to enforce them. Not to let them completely off the hook though there does also appear to be a lack of follow through. If one of our council people get something passed they need to bug the solictor, the police or fire chief to see them carried out. The responsibility doesn't stop at the end of a Tuesday night meeting twice a month.
Hey, mat stuart is now trying to start a sign war. Politics can be brutal sometimes but he sounds hysterical and frankly kind of creepy.
ORL is starting to sound hysterical and making some big mistakes. First of all, matt should not have put in his post about someone not voting for Lloyd because of his not voting. That is a negative for Lloyd and Matt is bringing it to peoples attention. Bet Lloyd loves that. Also, by Matt starting a sign war, it wont help his candidate. I dont know who is reporting to him, but starting that is childish. When will they learn, the Mayor is no going to let the Lloyd people tell him how to run his campaign. The Mayor used good strategy, he let Lloyds interview get in first, then issued a press realease, so he could get in everything he wanted to say. Lloyd can put his info out how he wants, and the Mayor will do the same. Matts hysteria wont change it. ORL sounds like Lloyd is running a negative campaign, while the Mayor always talks positively. Might Work for the Mayor. Keep up the bashing and hysteria, I think it helps.
Matt's moles are probably the only one's who are stealing any signs.
As I have said before in my other posts.. It just seems to me that Matt has a vendetta against both the Mayor and the Review at this point. Not sure why. but most of his post other than a picutre of history now and then are nothing more than a target towards both mentioned. He may have once been a great writer, but now im not so sure. how many articles have you read about East Liverpool, compared to the Wellsville, Mayor,The Review?
Again... just my opinion
To thrown:
I agree with you. I am starting to resent Matts interference in the Village politics. So far, this has been a gentlemens race, except for Matt. There have been no problems with signs in town, and I feel Matt is just itching for something bad to happen. It is supposed to be an election, but I am starting to feel like ,well, like someone else said, Matts involvement is starting to take on the creep factor.
I dont even want to post on ORL anymmore. The last post on there, when Matt says something like sit tight, we aint seen nothing yet, or its going to get really crazy, something to that affect, sounds like a threat, not journalism.
I do believe that he is using the blog Now to lead a crusade on certain people and places. but another note. I sent an email to D Lloyd w few days back, simply asking questions about things that HE he posted on HIS website.. He still hasnt answered my email.. not even with a simple thanks for asking.. nothing..is this part of the "silent campaing"? sorry for the sarcasm but in this matter it just seemed to fit
I bet Mr. Lydic was thrilled about mat's compliment. Wait, that wasn't really a compliment was it. Guess that would be considered more of a slap in the face than a compliment.
I know Matt will respond if he thinks your comments are worth commenting to. However, I couldn’t help myself. You all not only sound foolish but lend nothing to a Blog site but rumors, obscured opinions, or that you just can’t stand what will take place within the upcoming weeks. You sound as if you are the ones in panic mode. If any of your comments amounted to anything it would be worthwhile debating. However, at this point I’m not even sure any of you have the slightest idea of what is going on. Just wishing and a-hoping at this time, in effect!
So let me just make a few observations:
(1) ModelT… aside from not knowing how to spell a name, if you go back and read the sign issue it say he has “gotten several reports alleging that unknown vandals have attempted and/or have succeeded in removing Lloyd signs from private property.” Did it ever occur to you maybe the property owners contacted him about them?”
(2) ORL Meltdown…we all, as he explained on numerous occasions, understand why Matt feels the mayor would not be the better of the two candidates running for mayor. Having said that, when he writes he never put window dressing on any subject. He presents facts, nothing more than a blog site administrator is suppose to do and let the readers comment and debate. When you say the Lloyd people are not going to run the mayor’s campaign…the only campaign the mayor has shown is his appearance for photo shoots. Let’s see what he has to say at the Lisbon Forum on Tuesday. By the way that is a debate. Lets see how he fairs when he has to answer the questions. Regarding the mayor’s release of the article, you cannot seriously believe he wrote that, can you? If you do then go ahead and vote for him for you two would deserve each other!
(3) 4joe…Yeh, right! Another brilliant comment!
(4) Tbrown….When you began commenting on this site I thought you offered good insight. However, recently you are only about making assumptions. If you truly feel that Matt has a vendetta, figure out what it would be, and just post it. Let him respond to you, instead of going with the pack. Try to be a little original!
(5) Creep me out….Well I guess you will resent the newspapers also when they start publishing the result of the debate. That is, of course if the mayor shows! Has it ever occurred to you maybe Matt truly does have a concern for and wishes the Ville the best. Post him and ask him. Just make sure your facts are in order. When you say it has been a gentleman race to this point. What are you referring to? The mayor hasn’t said a word!
(6) Not for ORL….I’m sure you won’t be missed !
Wiz;
Is there anywhere we can go and post and have conversation without your lectures. You are a joke, man. Let people alone. You were not put on earth to critique everthing everyone says on these blogs were you. Try figuring out where you live for a while and give us a break.
tbrown, To bad you did not get an answer. Your questions were reasonable and I was interested in hearing a response. wiz..I am dead serious when I say that you are messed up. Please, get some help. There is no shame in asking for help.
In response to Please said…For your information, Blogs are not intended for conversations rather they are for debate and comment. Telephones are for conversations!
In this situation, when is it only fair, in your mind, to criticize someone, with nothing more than smears. Well. you can take it to the bank your comments will be scrutinized and responded to. If you can’t stand up for what you believe rather than running with the pack, what good are you? In my opinion, you are not trying to enlighten anyone with facts just stupid remarks that don’t hold water. I know where I live, do you know where you live? No breaks allowed here in the blogosphere. If you have something to contribute, have at it. If not, then YOU might want to consider a break!
Thrown;
I too wish you would have gotten a answer. If you get one, which maybe isnt likely after this long, let us know. Wiz: drop dead
Wiz.... name anything in ANY of the ORL blogs that represent FACT.. nothing does. Matt seems these days to only put assumption out there knowing that you people will jump on the bandwagon and feed his cause. Will I ask him what his vendetta is? no. why not.. don;t really care. It's only hurting him by showing others what he is about these days and that his writings really mean nothing more than to get at certain people. To all others... I doubt that I will ever recieve a response from Dave Llloyd at this point because as I asked him what his plans were. I dont think he really has any plans, But only to spew out the obvious things that people want to hear. Is this bad? I dunno, Im not into politics at all. But I guess if he really did have a plan of any kind. or could answer any of the questions that I asked, then he wouldve already. And they weren't that hard. I only took what he posted on his site and basically asked what were his intentions.. and WIZ....is that origonal enough for you?????? I dont follow a pack. I am my own person. Maybe thats why I can actually post my REAL NAME.
You might as well give up Mr. Wiz. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. These posters will never understand what you are saying. I agree with you about Mr. Brown, the more he posts, the more you read between the lines. Maybe if Mr. Lloyd reads this blog, he knows that Mr. Brown's intentions are not genuine. I've read your questions Mr. Brown and though there may be some fairness in what you are asking, I would have to ask you what the answers are to those questions in regards to Surace when he first ran for office? Most local politicians have no real contacts when first taking office, but meet folks through events and such. I won't profess to know Mr. Lloyd and his plans or connections, but we do have to remember that he worked for the village of Wellsville for several years. I'm sure he established very good relationships during his career. Mr. Surace was away from this area for a long time and I'm sure if it wasn't for the democratic party, he wouldn't have made the connections he has today. And if you want to be fair, then provide us with some very important questions you will also be asking Mayor Surace so as to convince us we should keep him in office. Just because he is the incumbent, does not mean he is exempt from addressing issues or answering simple questions. Both candidates must answer to their constituents in order to gain respect, as well as votes.
Leona Moore
Leona:
Can you not read, Yesterdays article covered just about everything. You seem to think since he doesnt say it at a debate, the answer he is giving is wrong. What questions do you want answered that you dont know already.
orl meltdown,
I think you made some very good points in your post. Indeed, why bring up your candidates weak points. Also, it probably was a good thing to go last, that way you can cover any points your opponent might bring to the table.
tbrown,
I am sure there are probably other people who have not gotten the courtesy of a response from Mr. Lloyd.
Leona Moore
you can read between whatever lines you wish. I have no dark motives or trying to accomplish anything here. I simply read his website and thought to myself, Wow now if those things aren't jsut obvious. I have nothing against Dave Lloyd, But I do read here and on ORL each and every day how bad the current mayor is and the things all of you wish that he would or could have done. And its gets old, you can clearly see that some on here AND ORL dont want anyone asking questions about Lloyd. Why not. Seems you all can say whatever you like about the current mayor, and everyone jumps on board to attack. but the minute a person asks a few questions to Dave Lloyd, there has to be some sort of motive. I feel that is my right to know these things. It is his right also not to answer them to. But running the "silent campaign" seems to be getting more silent each and everyday. Again, I am not in any way into politics. I am more into people and how they act and react.
Maybe I need to paint the picture more clearly. We all have the right to know the answers to the questions we are asking from our candidates, but my point is that Mayor Surace has not answered any questions in regards to his campaign. You may say he addressed everything in his written press release, but he has not. The fact is, his campaign story is a prepared statement, not one conducted by a reporter. Please explain where he was asked any questions. I never mentioned either candidate should be debating one another, although it's not a bad idea, but I do believe in a fair race and fairness is addressing the issues at hand and answering to your constituents.
Leona Moore
So I take it that this is being twisted over to the current mayor. You stated that you need to read between the lines on my posts? How can I be more lbunt. I post what I want to say, I post my name. I dont say or post anything that I wouldnt say to anyone face to face. But again I see how me asking Dave Lloyd a few questions got turned around and now pointing to once again Joe Surace. Im not trying to make any points, casue anything, or whatever you think I am trying to do. I jsut wanted a few questions answered and didnt even get so much of a simple reply back, nothing at all. So there is really nothing to defend as you seem to be trying to do at this point
What is the point of Mr. Lloyds web, if he wont answer questions? I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt, but shouldnt he reign in his supporters. They seem so mean and vindictive, it makes you wonder about him actually being Mayor. Is this what the ville will have to deal with as a new administration. Maybe some of them have their own agenda, one can only guess what Matts is. He no longer comes across as an interested outsider, he behaves more like a woman scorned. Mr. Lloyd should step up and cool these people down. Matt seems to be trying to start a riot on-line. Shouldnt a journalist be more responsible with his words.
I e-mailed Mr. Lloyd and did get an answer from him. I do appreciate it and hopefully tbrown will get a response soon.
What did you ask, and how long did it take to get an answer. Ive been waiting 3 days now.
I really can't remember how long, maybe 4 days.
I have been waiting to find out who Mr. Lloyd, would be appointing as his administration if he were to be elected. This does not seem to be a question he is eager to answer. Why is that. Has anyone heard who he is appointing since he wont answer my e-mail. I think it is important for voters to know who is on the short list at least. If it is some of these mean spirited bloggers I'm sure not voting for him. But I would like to know. Could be people that I would want in. You talk about are Mayor not answering questions, I dont see him jumping to get out this information. Can someone answer this since he wont.
Mr. Brown, a question please:
Did you post your questions and comments on Mr. Lloyd's site, exactly the way you have done so on here? If the answer is yes, no matter if Mr. Lloyd responds or not, you will support Mayor Surace. I agree you should receive an answer from Mr. Lloyd, but what is the true importance if you have already decided to support Mayor Surace?
There has been no rumor to whom Mr. Lloyd will appoint to his administration, and hopefully he will let us know. Maybe there is a possibility that he will keep the current administration in it's place. We will have to wait and see.
Leona Moore
Mr.Lloyd did answer that question for me. I do believe that his campaign people read this blog and I assume he does also. I feel that it is his/thier responsibility to get that information out there...not mine. Question about appointees...since he answered my question maybe he will answer yours. You are right in the respect that it should be something that the voters are aware of.
No we should not have to wait and see. When we vote for Mr Lloyd we vote for his appointees and he is not saying who they are. Why. I feel certain he will not leave the current administration in place. Why would he. And if he tries to make people think he will, that would be misleading from the get go. He has not answered the question yet, and time is getting short now. Why dont some of his supporters urge him to name his administration if he cant read his e-mail. Voters have a right to know, and unless he gives out this information, maybe he should expect people not to vote, like he did for years.
leona moore/ there has been plenty of speculation and rumors about who D.L. would have in his administration. It is ludicrous for you to say there have been no rumors. Also, I think it is common practice for someone who is running for office to want to have their own people go with them. Why would they keep an administration that more than likely worked hard to keep them out. My guess is that he wants to bring some people on board that the voters have already rejected.
In the midst of Matts cmments on ORL that wellsville is the laughing stock of the county I submit to you all, look at the front page of the Youngstown Vindicator. Way to go Wellsville. That is what we need, not Matt kicking us in the teeth every 5 minutes.
Leona Moore
Yes I asked D Lloyd the questions that I poted here. Heres what I did. I copied what HE stated that he was going to DO. then I simply asked what and how do you plan on doing this. This was not in any way a means of cornering or whatever you believe I was trying to do. But if he cant even answer a simple question that HE himself posted a statement of future accomplishments on HIS website, then why are awe to beleive that he can even do these things. and why am I not to beleive that he posted these merely for hopes of getting a vote from stating exactly what people want to hear.
No you say I support Joe Surace,,,, 100%....but that is NOT why I post these messages here. I get sick of all of the smear,attacks, and just ridiculous comments that everything that happens bad in this village is the complete fault of Joe Surace. So what does me supporting him have anything to do with asking D Lloyd a few questions, is that not allowed, is that frowned upon, as Wiz stated, not how a business person should conduct themselves? seriously, why sohuldn't ANYONE be able to ask a question to someone who is running an election campaign. They at this point are trying to work for us. Why is it that no one is supposed to expect anything from this man. First of all is no where public, doesnt respond to questions based on his OWN statements, so what can we expect of this man. Again, I do not know him or have never had the chance to meet him. SO I cannot say good nor bad things about him. I was merely trying to find out where he stood on some things. Take that as you will. but these defensive actions by all that support him only are making it worse by you all defending a man who chooses to remain silent throughout the entire campaign.
Mr Lloyds administration are on ORL welcoming Eddie back to work. Nice to see Eddie back, but the new administration is somewhat lacking.
I for one am absolutely sick to death of Matt and his insults to the village of Wellsville. Everyone knows he doesnt like the Mayor, but his constant insults are wearing thin. Who is he to say "ask anyone" we are the laughing stock of the county. I think it would be a great idea if Matt would forget about Wellsville and quie giving us a black eye. Nothing he is doing or saying is moving the village forward. The Mayor and others have managed to do that in spite of Matts hate mongering. Matt: Stay out of Wellsville. You are not welcome here by some of us who take offense to your comments about the place we call home. Pick on East Liverpool. You have plenty there to insult.
Hey, just my opinion but Matt has a lot of nerve criticizing anyone for anything.
I suspect that IF D Lloyd were to be elected, then Matt would stop hating wellsville. We have all seen what he really hates about the village. But he refused to admit that he has a personal problem with the current administration, although it shows clearly in his daily rants. BUT.. is Lloyd were to be elected. then what would Matt have to write about. No one really ever replies to his posts unless it has an attack message attached to it. Great pictures of Pittsburgh and all but good luck with that.
I couldnt help but notice that in Matts latest post about what a laughing stock Wellsville, is, he answeres someone by saying, "it is his hope it can and will change with a new administration". So much for Mr. Lloyd keeping the current administration in place. Why doesnt Matt tell us who the new and improved image makers for the ville are? Its about time Lloyd supporters put all their cards on the table. The Mayor owns the bad things that happen and he also owns the good things that happen here. What does Lloyd own? Mr. Lloyd, who will be in your new Administration? Step up on here and anwere a simple question. How are you going to implement changes? The things you say you are going to do, are already being done, are done, or are in the process. You gotta give your supporters more to tout.
Hey,
Instead of Matt running down our village, why doesnt he elaborate some more on Dave Lloyd not voting for years. Maybe he can explain why we should use the system Dave Lloyd rejected to elect him to office. That should be a piece of cake for a crack reporter like Matt. Instead of making people mad, he could help his candidate.
I just took a look at Candidate Lloyds website. First of all, his thinking Andy Beech could handle the Eddie Wilson situation shows me he isnt as smart as some would think. Andy Beech is nice, but he is overpaid and underworked for what he does for the village. Then he gives us the Ohio Revised Code to read. Nowhere, does he say what he would do as Mayor to correct this situation. Nowhere. Just bashes what has been done, says we need leadership,blah,blah,blah, but never gives us the benefit of his expertise and what he would do. I am convinced he is not the right way to go. He then says in some comments people are starting rumors about him and he is flattered. This is the candidate people are beating Mayor Surace up over. Joe, dont worry. If this is what he has to offer, and people know it, he doesnt have a chance.
I remember when mat changed the pinworm to orl. If I remember correctly, it was suppose to be a magazine about the Ohio valley. I guess the Ohio Valley must begin and end in Wellsville...just ask anyone outside of the village!
Really:
Everyone should go check out Lloyd for Mayor website. The question and answers are something. Every answer begins with, "that is the job of the current adm. and ends with,"If I'm elected I will etc...
He doesnt answer any questions directly. He has the answers, and he would fix this and that, but parrticulars. Just your regular political answers. Everyone should take a look. I have to admit, it was expecting more. He is just skirting issues.
That is exactly my point. and that is why he WONT reply to my email. I thought at first that he might have a few answers but now I see that he doesn't.. Being silent and allowing others to assume what he is about is not a very good campaign strategy. And again, I am in no way in any position to start talking polotics. but I dont think Joe Surace has anything to worry about. except the handfull over at the ORL, which who know if most of them even live in the village.
But if you read back a month ago or so on the ORL site, Matt was still acting like an impartial reporter, who had no biases. He just knows how to get his site visited. I'm thinking in January, if Lloyd is indeed elected, Matt will start to criticize him too. It's all about punching up your numbers.
For Mr. Lloyd:
While you were sleeping, the Current Administration, has been doing all the things on your to do list. The Mayor has been working with Tracy Drake on Baard, been in talks with buyers for Sterling China and a host of other things. You suggest that we ask you these questions again a few months after you get elected! What kind of pro-active approach is tha? You are joking right. You comment today about you are flattered, but flattery will get you know where, you may want to rewrite that. It will get you nowhere is right.
I read his site to. He is actually crying and complaing about people starting rumors. You have got to be kidding. Nothing like..if I am elected mayor this is what I will do and this is how I plan on doing it. Hey, this is an election and rumors are flying fast and thick on both sides. DL should be worrying about how he will fix the things he thinks are broken not slapping people because he thinks they started a rumor about him. What would he do if he got trashed everyday by orl like the mayor does? I guess he would have to stop voting again.
Oh, my God, someone is starting rumors about dl. Say it ain't so Joe! I have never heard of such a thing happening so close to an election. Has everyone gone mad? First a sign war and now this. My heart goes out to dl and his supporters. Boy, politics is brutal.
Well, if he takes the kinda of comments that Matt seems to hand out to wellsville and the current mayor...doesnt sound like he woul dmake it to far.. Not too many posts on his forum other than the administration that takes care of it either
Mr. Lloyd gives sections of Revised Code law pertaining to cities and law directors, etc. I think things are different for villages.
tbrown
your questions have been answered so why do you keep whining?
hmmm...Anonymous
I jsut saw that..
He says its up to the current adminsitration to make the contact? kinda like wanting them to get it done for him before he gets the job?
all of his answers pretty much sounded like BLAH BLAH BLAH.. seriously.. First he beelives that the current administration should do all the foot work for him, then other than that he has no more answers than me or you. Sounded like a standard speech answer to me. So when he STATED that HE was going to do these things.. he SHOULDVE said I will WORK ON what Joe Surace has already got started for me. You know I am right by his answers. and your reply of why are you whining? if that is the type of person that Lloyd has supporting him, I wish him all the best...
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