In Tuesday's MJ there was a letter to the editor published from an EL lady expressing doubts about the Baard plant. She stated she went to the last OEPA meeting to educate herself on the proposed facility. Sounds like she went in with a closed mind and picked up on only what she wanted to hear and that seemed to be mostly from the comments from the different environmentalist people.
She didn't seem to do much on educating herself stating that carbon dioxide and other gases will be released from the smoke stacks. She's talking about air quality issues that haven't been discussed yet by the EPA officials. Isn't it in the plans to bury the CO2 into the ground? That process is being tested elsewhere right now.
She said this plant is a prototype and has never been tested anywhere in the world. Whoa? They have been using this basic process in Europe for decades now. Do some research yourself lady. Learn about the Fischer-Tropsch process developed in the 20s & 30s. This may be new to the US but not to the "whole world".
She questioned the benefits of the jobs that would be provided by the building and eventually the operation of the proposed plant. Any new jobs in the area is bound to have a positive impact on our economy. Just providing goods and services to these people would be an improvement not to mention auxiliary business opportunities to support the construction and running of the plant. Look how the Port Authority is gearing up their Wellsville facility in anticipation of some of that support. Consider the increase in taxes just from the people employed in this endeavor. It may not turn things completely around but it will certainly be an improvement on what we have today.
She stated that WTI made no economic difference to East Liverpool. This convinced me she really has her head buried in the sand. Look at the dumping fees that city received over the years. Those jobs at WTI are jobs EL wouldn't have if it wasn't there. The people working up there live in the area, pay their income taxes and spend money in area stores. How can she say WTI didn't make an economic difference?
The cost of gasoline and other related products have been very much in all the news sources. Look at recent articles on the cost of black top and other road construction products such as chip and seal. How could she think an alternative fuel source would not be beneficial?
This is the kind of narrow minded thinking supporters of the Baard plant will be facing. Some are so closed minded they can't even credit any good that is already being accomplished or that is being planned. This is the kind of opposition that those with progressive thinking will have to face and overcome. We can not live in the past and survive.
ole nib
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I know this isn't on the topic, but I just wanted to announce the Wellsville Legends for 2008 who will be honored at the Wellsville Riverside Reunion. If you'd like to put this on a different thread feel free. Being honored on July 3rd will be, Robert "Brassy" Beresford, Nunzio Lombardozzi, Marjorie Dysert, Jim & Phyllis Thrasher, and The Checkler Brothers. Johnny, Jimmy, Albert, Nance, and Nick. We'd like everyone to come out and thank these people who have worked hard all their lives to make this a better place to live. It'll be a great day in Wellsville when we have them all together to pay tribute. You can go to www.theriversidereunion.com for more details on the weekends festivities. Thanks Nib.
Ol Nib I too read the letter in the MJ and was pleased to see that there are some people in this area that can think and apply past experience to current situations. Not like some who blindly accept anything the EPA, Baird, a Congressional Office, the Mayor, or the Port Authority puts out.
For Example you state the the Carbon Dioxide will be sequestered underground be injecting into wells. This procedure has not been tested and according to what I read it will be at least 2020 before a large scale test of this procedure will be done. You say it is being tested right now. Where? and by whom? Is Baird going to retrofit this plant or simply operate without it?
I really don't care as I think the whole global warming scare is mostly bull but I resent being played for a fool
You might want to follw this link to the New York Times and read up on this technology:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/30/business/30coal.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&th&emc=th
Anon - I didn't follow your link to the NYTimes but I did Google carbon dioxide sequestion. There are numerous studies being done by both the government and universities. It also has been used in Europe and from briefly reading is a very feasible process.
I spent two hours looking for an article I read recently - in the past few weeks - that actual tests for this process are getting underway here in the US. I thought I saved it and I may have but it was like looking for a needle in a haystack. My organizational efforts in that department leave a lot to be desired. I have it somewhere but it might have been just a part of a newspaper story on another subject. For well over a year now I have been clipping anything out of the paper that relates to Baard Industries.
I, for one, have not "blindly" taken anything as gospel that has been put out on the CTL plant. Just like WTI was, Baard's proposal is a new concept for us. After listening to all the crap put out by Al Gore and other global warming alarmists over the years I was at first skeptical. There are still ice bergs, NYC is still above water and WTI hasn't killed off large portions of the tri-state area. Imagine that. There must be some advantages to modern technology that improve on the way things were done 100 years ago and permit us to live long, healthy lives. Maybe, just maybe mankind has learned how to move forward with progressive thinking to improve our quality of life and make necessary adjustments to the demands of modern times. Life is full of checks and balances but maybe we have learned over the years how to deal with some of those checks and move forward.
You gotta separate fact from fiction. I think that letter was written by an ultra-conservative who will go to her grave resisting anything new or different. She is selfishly comfortable with her life and seemingly will resist anything new or progressive. She went to one OEPA meeting and suddenly became an expert. If you're happy with that maybe you should rethink your opinions.
By the way, who the hell is Baird?
ole nib
These freaking tree huggers all need to move to Oregon...oh, that's right, that state doesn't allow new residents, right?
(or so I heard).
The lady who wrote that letter apparently doesn't need a job.
since there is "only" going to be 300 created, I sure hope no one in her family needs one, either! I have plenty of family members who can use one.
Those who live along the river know the environmental risks that come with industry. That's just the fact.
If you don't like it, leave.
I dont think Pillsbury is coming here to make their biscuits, so people better take what comes, and new technology is on the way. Nib is right. We have to make way for the new. All the years, we have been starving for officials to bring something to our area, an area that prosperity has passed right by, and the tree huggers would like to see us rot here, rather than get it for our families for jobs and growth. I travel all over, and we are so stunted in our growth here it is unreal. We are almost like another planet. Global warming is a figment of Al Gore's imagination. Do the math.
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