Thursday, September 11, 2008

Sierra Club's Town Hall Forum

Ok, modem's working fine, life is good...

This past Saturday the Sierra Club of Ohio held a town hall meeting over at JVS concerning Baard's proposed Ohio River Clean Fuel, LLC. It was touted as a "non-partisan informational event" with "several panelists". Come on, non-partisan, being sponsored by the Sierra Club?

The several panelists turned out to be three. There was a lawyer from the environmental activist Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC), and local residents Matt Stewart & Roxanne Burns. Stewart was chosen because he was a local reporter in the area and a blogger. Burns is also a local resident and a biologist. Both Stewart & Burns emphasized that they were there as representatives of the local community and not there speaking for KSU-EL. The Sierra Club's Nachy Kanfer was there as the event organizer. Baard folks declined on their invitation to join in.

It was a good time to hold such an event, late Saturday afternoon when not much is happening. It got them lengthy front page write-ups in both of Sunday editions in our local newspapers. Mike McElwain from the ER estimated there were around 36 people in attendance. Kanfer even got a whole column in Tuesday's MJ.

After reading the reports in both of our local papers it was pretty much as I suspected it would be. The word platitude stuck in my mind. I'm probably attributing an incorrect definition for that word. There were implied warnings of being doomed and being backward in our thinking if we support this proposed plant. From what I read we're condemned to regressing back to the Industrial Age if this plant is allowed to be built.

Attorney Shannon Fisk from NRDC was quoted as saying the proposed plant would be a "major new source of global warming pollution". On the whole he seemed to be casting aspersions on Baard's commitments from polluting to economic benefits and to their business acumen. Fisk commented on the poor air quality ratings that Jefferson County already has and scornfully asked if Baard thinks their polluting ways will stop at the county line. Does this man know that part of the plant will be in Jefferson County? Even with his refusal to take Baard for their word he failed to mention anything about the multi-million dollar renovations with new scrubbers at the Stratton electric plant. He failed to mention Baard's commitment to using the best and latest available technology in making this a clean fuel plant. That's a commitment that has to be adhered to and, in my opinion, will be. After last night I really believe the difference in our air quality will be negligible once this plant gets going. Yea, there's going to be a lot of tax payer money involved but in spite of what Fisk tells us Baard's financial commitment is huge on their part. They say you gotta spend money to make money. Our spending now will be returned in ways too numerous to mention. Once this plant gets going the benefits will not be all going to Baard.

Being a panelist I was surprised that Matt Stewart was not all over this on ORL. I guess he really means it when he said he "ambivalent about the project". He was quoted as saying that he sees "a plant like Baard being a step backward" in our post-industrial economy. Huh? We lost a lot of industry in this area over the years but this country is still largely industrial producing our goods and services. We've been slowly moving to a world economy but lessening our dependence on foreign sources is still very important. Nothing that I can think of hammers that point home more than oil. I see nothing backwards with that line of thinking. We're working on alternative sources of energy in this country but I seriously doubt I will live long enough to see our energy sources change that drastically. We just can't quit using one type of energy source while we're waiting for those alternatives to be developed and made feasible. The interim from one point to the other is still many, many years apart.

Matt mentioned growing up in East Liverpool he recalls not being able to see across the river to WV because of the pollution and I have to wonder about that. My memory goes back to the early fifties and I don't remember anything like that around here. Pittsburgh surely with their old soot days but not here. Maybe he was thinking about fog. That still happens in today's times especially now as we approach the fall season. If it's thick enough you can't see across the river. Was he confusing fog with smog in those early years?

Roxanne Burns offered us a cynical view point with her quoted as saying "it's all right to ruin the river because there is money to be made". She mentions deadly chemicals will be dumped into the Ohio but doesn't mention anything about quantities that the EPA finds permissible. She tells us that technology doesn't exist for the complete caption of carbon dioxide. True. The key word is complete. She failed to mention that CO2 is not a regulated pollutant. You exhale CO2 when you breath out. She didn't tell us that technology does exist to capture a large percentage of CO2 in what Baard proposes. Capturing CO2 and sequestering it is not a pipe dream that is being foisted upon us by Baard. The technology is there. It's real.

I introduced myself to Nachy Kanfer of the Sierra Club last night. As I mentioned he had a follow up column in Tuesday's MJ filled with vague ambiguities. I already commented on the nano grams of mercury he mentioned. He's still trying to convince us that the Air Force can't use the CTL fuels because of the section in the Energy Security & Independence Act not allowing them to use any fuel with a higher carbon emission than petroleum. He didn't tell us that it's already been proven that CTL fuel is equal to or less than petroleum fuels in carbon emissions thus not preventing the boys in blue to use without violating that section. He still naively proposes that the cost of coal is surely going to doom Baard's proposed plant before the first shovel of dirt is turned. With that line of thinking does he believe we'll all starve to death because of the cost of groceries? Give me a break.

Nachy seems like a nice young man. He graduated from Princeton with a music degree. After that he went to Palestine to help with their efforts in cleaning up their water supply. He told me he was there for two years with that endeavor. Now he is a full time employee of the Sierra Club. Shocking to me he's only been a member of that organization for four months. When he started working for them he said they gave him a membership. Previously I got the impression that he had been a long time member. He asked me how I knew who he was and I told him it was from his picture in the paper. I asked if I could take his picture and he was unsure. He mentioned something about not wanting to take anything away from local members of the club. I took his picture anyway but I'll keep my word to him and not put it on the blog. It's a good picture Nachy. If you want a copy for your folks let me know. I'll e-mail it to you. Nachy is a clean cut guy and is dedicated to his beliefs. Even though we may disagree I respect a fellow like him. He's a good man for his job.

Next up will be my thoughts on the EPA hearing last night. It was an extremely interesting evening for me before I had to leave. Talked to and saw a lot of folks. See ya tomorrow...

ole nib

10 comments:

Unknown said...

Hi Ole Nib,

Nice meeting you too! And hi to all of you who introduced yourselves last night. It was a pleasure.

A lot of good points here. Briefly in reference to section 526 of last year's energy law - pending final interpretation by the judicial system (which I'm sure is inevitable), we're working off the understanding of Henry Waxman (D-CA), who authored that provision. I have a copy of a letter on the subject he sent to Senator Bingaman, if anyone is interested. Lifecycle emissions of liquid coal are still way higher than petroleum if the carbon isn't sequestered, and that's why it would still fall in that category.

Which brings me to another good point of yours, what about the carbon sequestration? I agree. We NEED carbon sequestration on plants like these. That's why I'm so confused as to why Baard objects to putting carbon limits in the air permit. I've said this before - if they're going to sequester the carbon anyway, why not legally commit to it? And if they're not going to sequester the carbon, then they should stop saying they will.

If Baard is going to sequester 85% of its carbon emissions, well then color me impressed. But then there's no reason on earth why we shouldn't ask them to back up their promises with a binding commitment. Sierra Club members didn't go to last night's hearing to ask the EPA to kick Baard out of Ohio. We asked them to hold Baard to its promises to control pollution.

nachy.kanfer@sierraclub.org

Anonymous said...

nachy..your point is a very valid one and I agree. I have always had a nagging feeling about Wellsville getting this plant. No job is worth the cost of our good health and companies have been known before to prey on desperate circumstances. I don't believe they even know if they are able to sequester carbon.

Anonymous said...

Nachy , while I agree with everything you said , I have to advise your argument is probably falling on deaf ears. Most of the local buisness owners are salivating , just thinking of the extra money they will make when the 4,000 some construction workers come to this area.

The Wellsville Chamber of Commerce is already behind the project and "Wellsville Welcome's Baard Energy" signs have already been made for distribution around the village.
It strikes me as odd that many communities have fought to keep such facilities from being built , while Wellsville is welcoming them with open arms.

Nobody can deny the construction of the plant will be a boost to the local economy, but at what cost in the long run , is what we should be asking. But that's thinking too far down the road.

I was unable to attend the Wednesday night meeting , so I may be wrong , but I have not yet heard one person from the village speak out against the plant. To do so might just be justification for a lynching.

Meanwhile, Wellsville leaders and buisness associtations are like a bunch of eager to please lap dogs, willing to do anything they can to make our new corporate friend feel right at home.

Ah, I love the smell of napthalene in the morning ! Smells like victory !

Unknown said...

Tucker - of the 1,400 Ohioans I know of who have so far submitted comments to the Ohio EPA demanding that the air permit regulate carbon emissions, at least a few dozen are from Columbiana County, including Wellsville proper. We may get a few more before Monday passes.

Anonymous said...

How WOULD Matt NOT have had trouble seeing across the river when he was a kid? He grew up in Calcutta, didn't he? Kinda hard to see the RIVER from there, let alone W.Va.

************* said...

Good point.

nib

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